IDD | Abel Erazo: 领先是不断更新和研究未来的代名词/ 发掘新声VOL.3

 Abel Erazo 

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APDF亚太设计师联盟国际会员

北京艾奕空间设计有限公司首席执行官 

Abel Erazo是艾奕空间设计创始人,毕业于智利大学,2005 年完成建筑设计学硕士学位，并且获得最佳设计奖“早稻田建筑设计奖 2005”,2009 年在早稻田大学完成博士学位，主修建筑设计学。

Abel Erazo的艺术哲学观受古代东方禅宗和西方现代化摩登的影响，形成了简约、朴素、纯洁、象征主义的风格，自成一派，在建筑设计、景观设计以及室内设计领域 20 多年的实践经历，拥有丰富的餐饮、办公、酒店、住房、商业和文化设计经验，确保创造高效、舒适和独特的空间。

 Q1 

您在中国生活了一段时间，

身处异乡，是否遇到了很多挑战

您是怎么克服的呢

You have been working and living in China for some years, for sure, there would be a big challenge for living in another country which is not the one you get used to, can you tell us what kind of challenges you ever met and how do you deal with it

是的，我从 2009 年开始在中国工作和生活。其中最大的挑战是沟通和文化理解。我花费了几年的时间学会说中文，理解中国的工作方式。当我达到一定水平时，我可以创造符合客户需求的设计，并且很好地融合当地文化与国际视野。

Yes, I have been working and living in China since 2009. Certainly one of the biggest challenges is the communication and culture understanding. It takes several years to speak the language and understand the way to work in China. After achieving some level it is possible to create a design that fits the client needs and combine the local culture with the international global world.

 Q2 

在您个人的日常中，

设计和生活是一种什么样的关系 

成为一名设计师是过一种每天24小时全年无休的生活方式。每天早上睁开眼睛开始思考我们的项目，晚上梦里还是项目。设计师追求完美，这是我们的人生使命，可以为此付出所有努力，追随我们心之所向。

 Q3 

设计之外，

还有哪些兴趣爱好，

或比较喜欢做的事

Beside your design career, do you have any other interests or hobbies that you would like to do in your spare time

我喜欢看书，看各个时代的电影，最近的和经典的。影视这种艺术表达，涉及所有感官，也包含历史和文化。小说和幻想对设计师来说也很重要，因为我们在为未来创作。通过观看纪录片和电影的方式可以扩展想象力，了解我们社会的过去，畅想未来。

旅行是一种可以体验空间4 个维度，将地方与人联系起来的方式。理解当地的技术、材料、颜色、生活方式、食物、气味和质地。一切都与设计息息相关，学习和理解的最佳方式是亲眼目睹。因此，只要时间允许，我会尽可能的去环游世界。

 Q4 

您学于智利大学、早稻田大学，

是怎样的契机下来到中国，

并且在北京设立了艾奕空间设计有限公司（AE Architects）？

是的，故事有点长，所以我尽量简短回答。在南美洲智利，智利大学是我们的国立大学。学生时代，我们都梦想被智利大学录取。它拥有这个国家最悠久的历史和传统，拥有最好的师资。成为其中的一员是一种荣誉，也是一个从各个专业了解世界的绝佳机会。后来日本建筑及其当代建筑师吸引了我。智利大学毕业后，我申请了日本教育部的奖学金，并且被早稻田大学建筑学院录取连读硕博。

在东京待了6 年后，我博士时期的中国同学邀请我加入他的设计工作室，他回北京后新创立的。我接受了与亚洲最大的国家见面，在一个不断发展的社会中去实践建筑和设计的挑战，这个社会早在 2009 年就已经多方面世界领先地位。

After 6 years in Tokyo my PhD Chinese classmate invited me to join his design studio firm newly opened after his return to Beijing, China. I accepted as a challenge to meet the biggest country in Asia and to practice architecture and design in an always evolving and developing society which was already back in 2009 leading the world in many aspects.

在中国工作了几年后，我觉得是时候成立自己的设计工作室，更好地将我在西方与亚洲受的教育结合起来，寻找一种独特的风格来服务社会。

After a few years working in China I felt it was a right time to set up my own design studio and better combine my western education experience with Asian education, looking to develop a unique style to serve the society.

 Q5 

AE Architects

有自己一套独特的艺术哲学观，

可以和我们分享一下吗？

AE Architects has its own philosophy, which is unique, can you share it with us

艾奕空间设计创立于北京，得益于我在建筑设计、景观设计以及室内设计领域20多年的实践经历。东方禅宗和西方现代化摩登影响了我们的艺术哲学观，形成了简约、朴素、纯洁、象征主义的风格，自成一派。我们采用极简设计语言，为我们的客户提供抽象化并忠于本质需求的最佳解决方案，以满足客户的需求。这纯朴几何学创造了一个平静与自然紧密相连的地方，并采用折叠表面的思维，就像折纸一样，产生一个连续的空间。

艾奕设计· 进化建筑师，我们的目标是为未来和新一代着想，根据他们的需求设计量身定制环境，建造空间来保护他们和他们的亲属，鼓励人们发展和生活在一个更美好的世界。建筑是表达思想的方式，为大家创造一个适宜的世界，一个我们可以梦想、生产和服务于我们进化的世界，每一个梦想都是进化摩天大楼上的一块砖。

AE Architects · Architects for Evolution, our goal is to think for the future and new generations, designing tailor-made environments to their needs, building spaces to protect them and their relatives by encouraging people to evolve and live in a better world. Architecture is the way of expressing ideas and create a suitable world for everyone, a world where we can dream, produce and serves to our evolution, every dream is a brick on the evolution skyscraper.

 Q6 

你认为西方文化对

亚洲的建筑有着怎样的影响？

如何看待目前中国建筑的影响力？

What do you think about the impact of western culture on Asian architecture And what about the impact of Chinese architecture to the world

我认为西方文化主导了 20 世纪，从这个意义上说，它在世界范围内扩大了影响力，不仅在建筑方面，而且在生活方式、交流和文化方面。二十世纪末的互联网时代和领先的技术使世界全球化，影响着我们所有人，包括亚洲。现在我们正面临一个新时代，二十一世纪初的重大事件包括纽约市双子塔袭击、全球经济危机以及最近几年的疫情改变了我们的社会和世界。

I think the western culture dominated the 20 Century, in that sense it expanded their influence all around the world, not only in architecture but also in life style, communication and culture. The Internet era and leading technology by the end of 20 Century made the world global, influencing all of us including Asia. Now we are facing a new era, big events at the beginning of 21 Century from the Twin Towers attack in NYC, the global economic crisis and recently the pandemic years changed our societies and the world.

主导地位已经转向亚洲，转向中国，一个管理良好的系统、组织良好的社会、经济规模和人口、自然资源、先进的工业化、城市规模、新能源领先技术已经影响了世界几十年。在中国可以看到一种新的设计和建筑风格，它代表了新一代的愿景和生活方式，是现代原则、简约和技术的结合。将以前的西方影响与传统和悠久的当地历史相结合。结果仍在不断发展，媒体、数字通信、新材料以网络虚拟世界与现实世界的混合，这些在不久的将来将带来更多的影响。这种动态的转变是最吸引我在中国创作和工作的地方。

 Q7 

在中国的建筑实践中，

你曾遇到过怎样的挑战？

有什么令你印象深刻的经历

或重要收获？

In your architectural practice in China, what challenges have you encountered, and what kind of experiences or important achievements have impressed you the most 

每一个新项目都是一个新的挑战。由于我们在全国各地开展业务，从中国北方到最南方，人与文化变化多端。我们的使命是理解这些地方差异，灵活创造一个不仅国际化而且与当地环境和气候密切相关的解决方案。我们使用现有的材料和技术，理解当地的工艺，以确保获得最佳和合理的结果。例如，适合香港或广东的东西可能不适合东北或西部。这是我们通过多年的实践和经验习得的。

Every new project is a new challenge. Since we practice all around the country, from north of China to the very south, the people and culture also change. So our mission is to understand those local differences and be flexible enough to create a solution that is not only international but also well connected with the local environment and climate. We try to use the materials and technology available, also understand the local craft in order to ensure the best and reasonable result. For instance what might fits in Hong Kong or Guangdong may not be ideal for North East or West. This is something we learn through the years of practice and experience.

 Q8 

以您多年的建筑经验来看，

您认为在建筑设计过程中，

最关键的一点是什么？

From your experience in architecture, what do you think is the most critical point in the architectural design process

我认为建筑是一种服务；设计师最大的价值就是把自己放在一边，致力于为特定情况创造最佳环境的使命，帮助人们美梦成真。

I think that architecture is a service; the greatest value of designers is to put themselves aside and devote to the mission of creating the best environment for a particular situation, to help people’s dreams come true.

每个项目都是最大的挑战；每个客户都将他或她所有的关心、梦想、计划和幻想投入到项目中。无论是 10 平方米还是 80.000 平方米，我们把同等的精力和爱投入到每一个项目中。

Every project is the biggest challenge; every client put all his or her care, dreams, plans and illusions in every single project. No matter 10 sqm or 80.000 sqm, we devote to each project with the same energy and love.

 Q9 

您希望通过设计，

给大众传递一种什么样的

生活理念或精神追求？

What ‘s your belief and basis in design What kind of living belief and basis you intend to tell people via design

我的设计领域是空间；我工作的主要方面包含材料、光线和形形色色的人在不同活动中的舒适度。我坚信要达到那种舒适，我们需要在一个简单、安静和平静的环境中创造。材料必须在眼睛和纹理上令人愉悦，光的亮度和温度必须合适。尺寸和细节至关重要，并可能影响结果，天然材料与技术及更新迭代的工业产品的结合，室外和室内以及邻里或社区内的关系。这些年来我们的项目规模不断增加，我们把艺术哲学和理念应用于所有项目。从私人住宅到拥有几栋楼的大型商业区，从远距离到内部房间的体验感是一致的。

I think year 2020 is a turning point in many ways, globally and individually. Suddenly we had to face ourselves and the closest people around us, had to share indoor life for many months, and after finally able to enjoy public life again we realized that the world had changed. Globally some societies were more able than others to organize and control the emergency, those societies are somehow leading now the recovery. We as designers have to consider the balance with nature, the value of the indoor spaces for people and families and the concept of home, which is now stronger than ever.

 Q10 

因为疫情使生活发生很大的变化， 

在您的生活中是否也出现了很多变化和挑战？您是如何应对这些的呢？

我认为 2020 年在许多方面都是一个转折点，无论是全球还是个人。突然间，我们不得不直面自己和身边最亲近的人，不得不在室内困住生活好几个月，当我们终于能够再次享受公共生活后，我们发现世界已经变了。在全球范围，有些社会拥有更好的能力组织和控制紧急情况，这些社会正引领着现在的复苏。作为设计师，我们必须考虑与自然的平衡，室内空间对人们和家庭的价值，以及现在比以往任何时候都更强烈的家的概念。

I think year 2020 is a turning point in many ways, globally and individually. Suddenly we had to face ourselves and the closest people around us, had to share indoor life for many months, and after finally able to enjoy public life again we realized that the world had changed. Globally some societies were more able than others to organize and control the emergency, those societies are somehow leading now the recovery. We as designers have to consider the balance with nature, the value of the indoor spaces for people and families and the concept of home, which is now stronger than ever.

 Q11 

谈谈您对“领先” 的理解

How do you define the word 'leading' in the design context

引领自我是先锋、前卫的代名词，是不断更新和研究未来的代名词。我们不能只重复以前做过的事情，相反，我们应该理解历史和我们自己，然后足够激进地创造新的东西。没有 100% 的全新创造，而是将我们职业永恒的规则和原则与新的挑战结合和重新创造。我们建造不仅为今年，而是为未来 30 年。一座建筑可以屹立数十年，我们的社会正在迅速变化和发展。那我们的建筑如何激发后代甚至影响变化呢？

Leading to me is synonymous of pioneer, avant-garde and to a continuously updating and researching for the future. We cannot just repeat what has been done before, instead we should understand the history and ourselves, and then be radical enough to create something new. There is no a 100% new creation but a recreation and combination of the eternal rules and principles of our profession with the new challenges. We don’t build for this year only but for 30 years ahead. A building can stand decades and our societies are rapidly changing and evolving. How our architecture can inspire the future generations or even influence the changes

 Q12 

在设计行业中是否有

您认为十分值得关注的

"领先" 作品或者人物？

Can you recommend a couple of "leading" design projects or "leading" celebrities in the industry that we can learn from

我喜欢董功的作品，因为我很着迷材料通过光的力量，表面或墙壁上开口的力量，空间本身的力量。我敬佩现代主义之父路易斯·康和密斯·范德罗，他们不同但有一条共同的线，时间观念，沉默观念，一个空间可以带你穿越时间，传送你到过去或未来，带给你鲜活的旧记忆，一个好的空间可以让你怀旧或自信，乐观或内向，所以一个领先的设计或一件杰作是超越时间的。

I like the work of Dong Gong in China, since I am very attracted by the power of the materials through light, the power of the openings on a surface or wall, the power of the space itself. I admire Louis Kahn and Mies Van der Rohe, the fathers of modernism despite they are different there is a common line, the idea of the time, the idea of the silence, one space can take you through time, transport you to the past or future, bring you vividly old memories, a good space can make you nostalgic or confident, optimistic or introverted, etc, so a leading design or a Masterpiece is the one that transcend the time.

 Q13 

未来有哪些

希望继续探索和尝试的

领域或议题？

What kind of topics or fields that you plan and wish to explore in the future

最近我正在研究移动建筑和媒体建筑。考虑到世界上最近发生的事件，灵活变通在当下比以往任何时候都更加重要。社会也变了，2000年后出生的那一代人完全不一样了，他们和人以及周围环境的互动方式是我们应该去理解的。我们的生活已经从现实世界转移到虚拟世界，直到将它们融合在一起。因此，我们的建筑应该用相似的方式互动，以灵活和互动的方式改变对建筑物沉重的偏见，从而吸引新一代。我们使用能源的方式也应该改变，使建筑更加生态和环保，让结构和建造过程更加开放和易于理解，包括过程中的社区。这样我们的建筑更容易安装，可以在更短的时间实施以更快的速度响应社会需求。

Recently I’m working on mobile architecture and media architecture. Considering the recent events in the world, to be flexible is now more important than ever. Also the society has changed, the generation born after 2000 is totally different, the way they interact with each other’s and with the surroundings is something we should understand. Our lives already move from the analogue world to the virtual one until the extreme of melting them together. So our architecture should interact in similar way, changing the heavy preconception of a building with a flexible and interactive one, able to attract the new generations. The way we use the energy should also change, making the buildings more Eco and environmental friendly. Making the structure and construction process more open and easier to understand, including the community in the process. Then our buildings could be easier to install and implement them in a shorter time with a faster respond to the society needs.

 Q14 

给中国年轻设计师的建议

Suggestions for the younger generation in the design industry. Especially for architects students.

真正成功的设计师是把所有的爱都投入他们从事的事情上。这不是想成为百万富翁或拥有非常舒适放松的生活的职业。如果有这样的期盼，最好成为一名银行家或在岛上过着非常简单的生活。

A truly successful designer is the one who put all their love on what they do. This is not a career someone should choose to become a millionaire or to have a very comfortable and relax life. If so better to be a banker or to have a very simple life in an island.

对于学生，我建议他们做任何事都要全心全意，相信建筑可以改变世界并影响几代人。相信我们的使命是通过设计服务和帮助社会。责任重大，需要我们作出最大的努力和奉献。我更觉得我们应该乐观，积极，跳出问题找到解决方案，我们应该享受我们的工作和赋予设计幽默元素，笑口常开是人类的一重大价值。

To the students I would recommend to put their heart in anything they do, to believe that architecture can transform the world and influence many generations. Also to believe our mission is to serve and help the society through design. Is a high responsibility and demands our greatest effort and devotion. I also think we should be optimistic, positives and find solutions out of the problems, we should enjoy what we do and design with humor, to be able to laugh is a great value of humanity.

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